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DEREK HANDS's avatar

What? He thinks we have forgotten how he was defending the illegal genocidal settler colony in the past and his hit piece on Jeremy Corbyn in the Guardian?

Beyond the Surface by Veronica's avatar

What are you talking about? Cool the emotions and communicate

Lisa's avatar

Your only support for your accusation, "he was defending the illegal genocidal settler colony in the past," is someone else's (also unsupported) accusation.

And you provided no support at all, for a "hit piece on Jeremy Corbyn in the Guardian"; you just linked to a "hit piece" on Owen Jones, in the Huffington Post.

The Huff Po contained a link to something that was (finally) actually written by Jones (still not in the Guardian), which expressed a critical opinion of Corbyn's strategy, but to call it a "hit piece" is beyond hyperbole.

Owen's opinion (nearly a decade ago) was what it was, but what it certainly wasn't, is "a hit-piece."

It was advice. Some of which may have been useful, some of which I don't agree with at all, but clearly a genuine, good-faith opinion.

Tuan O's avatar

He wrote a book in favour of Liberal zionism like 5 years ago its not a secret that Owen showed zero solidarity for Palestinians until about 3 years ago. He's still a two state solution guy, he still consistently punches left and fails to engage with organised Palestinian solidarity (largely because they all saw what he was like during the Corbyn years). He also consistently supports American and Israeli imperialism when it occurs outside of Gaza as in Syria. He still works for the guardian which routinely prints blatant falsehoods justifying Israels warcrimes and he will never ever criticise the organised pro-Israel lobby or their influence in politics, he still won't even acknowledge there was a coordinated movement to unseat corbyn and purge his movement of anti-zionists.

Please stop worshipping journalists as heroes, they're just out for their own personal status and careers. Owen Jones won't even risk his cushy job at the guardian to oppose genocide. He wouldn't even support an anti-war Labour leader who called for a two state solution. You can pretend its just old news but it shows how he reacts when a real chance for change presents itself.

Lisa's avatar
Jan 30Edited

“Worship.”

You say, “Owen Jones won't even risk his cushy job at the guardian to oppose genocide.” The TRUTH is that Owen opposes genocide routinely. Any risk that might pose to “his cushy job at the guardian,” clearly hasn’t stopped him. If you had accused Owen of failing to quit the Guardian in protest, THAT would have been true, but the truth wasn’t awful enough for you, so you embellished. To the point where what you chose to say, is objectively untrue.

Similarly, you claim, “He wrote a book in favour of Liberal Zionism.” If you’d said that he wrote some passages in it, expressing undue sympathy for Zionism, you would’ve been right. But there again, the truth wasn’t awful enough for you — presumably because he has spoken out AGAINST Zionism so vociferously since then — so again, you embellished.

Because your torch is already lit, you want the witch to burn, and nuanced factuality… that just ain’t gonna git ‘er done!

The fact that I refused to bring a torch to your witch-burning, doesn’t mean I “worship” the accused. I have my own criticisms, but they’re within the range of good-faith fallibility, and I won’t feed them to a troll.

I do consider PALESTINIAN journalists heroic, though. If you have a problem with THAT, just deal with it.

Tuan O's avatar

This isn't nuanced 'factuality' it's an aggressive angry rant about your favourite journalist being criticised. I'm sorry that some people have different opinions to you I know its hard to deal with sometimes

Siwan's avatar

Thanks for doing the leg work, I'm just so tired, I know that's how they want us, but sometimes someone stepping up to lift the burden is heartwarming. Thank you again 💕

Lisa's avatar

Don't blame me for the fact that it took you four days to find your ass, and failed to change a single thing I said: Calling good-faith criticism, a "hit-piece," is still hyperbole, and it's still nearly a decade-old.

Corbyn knows the difference between criticism and "a hit-piece," (having been exposed to plenty of both).

But then again, so would ANY honest person, who (in good faith) reads criticism that includes:

"Corbyn is a man of principle who has repeatedly been on the right side of history. He was arrested for campaigning against apartheid when Margaret Thatcher was denouncing the ANC as terrorists; he supported LGBT rights when it was “loony left” to do so; he campaigned against Saddam Hussein when our government armed the murderous despot; he later opposed the Iraq war. On the big issues of the day – such as public investment in our economy, tax justice, workers’ rights, the housing crisis, the NHS – he is absolutely right."

... and...

"Corbyn is a decent, honourable and principled man."

... but there is no good faith in your reading of Owen's criticism. You just don't have it in you.

In your head, even calling out your malicious trolling, makes me a "troll." 🤷🏻‍♀️ So be it. 🖕

Maybe the best example of how hyperbolic & extreme your grudge is, is the fact that eight and a half years later, YOU'RE flinging shit, whereas Jeremy & Owen are just fine:

https://www.owenjones.news/p/interview-with-jeremy-corbyn-on-the

DEREK HANDS's avatar

As for your link I haven’t forgotten his hit piece gunning for Jeremy Corbyn to be taken down. That’s the purpose of my post

DEREK HANDS's avatar

I found your comment by chance. Wasn’t notified of it revolting wretch. You could have found it easily with a simple search. Be gone zionist troll

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Lisa's avatar

Asked & answered:

https://www.palestinedeepdive.com/p/coward-journalists-you-will-be-exposed/comment/146595880

But, to let Owen speak for himself, there's also:

https://www.owenjones.news/p/am-i-an-israeli-stooge-a-response

And:

https://www.owenjones.news/p/am-i-really-as-bad-as-netanyahu

You're parroting someone else's accusation... which wilfully exaggerates a near-decade-old complaint... in order to smear, and silence, one of Israel's most vocal critics.

It's not Owen, who's acting like Israel's stooge.

GetUpStandUp's avatar

So he sees being pro Palestine right now is more lucrative for a journalist. POS. He looks like a little fckn weasel.

Jim Stanton's avatar

No matter how he looks listen to him maybe

Sami Knowles's avatar

Trying to dismiss him like his opinions don’t matter when he’s been HUGELY outspoken about Palestine. 🇵🇸 ♥️

DEREK HANDS's avatar

He endorsed the genocidal settler colony. Palestine was not his to give away.

Neelam's avatar

Don't spread misinformation. He is a brave journalist. As he said he lost many opportunities defending Palestine cause. Why would defend Palestine cause if he is not honest. What is it for him in it?

Mike Story's avatar

Oh go away you great big Jessie. Stop defending genocide and grow a pair. Gutless coward.

Lynne McNulty's avatar

Where did he say Israel shouldn’t exist ..? He’s talking about genocide & Israel’s illegal occupation..?

DEREK HANDS's avatar

“Israel” has no right to exist in Palestine.

Lynne McNulty's avatar

That may well be his opinion but he’s talking about the current situation.

DEREK HANDS's avatar

But all of “Israel” is on Palestinian territory

Lynne McNulty's avatar

that’s your view yes

DEREK HANDS's avatar

Inalienable rights aren’t a viewpoint

D. Donald Ohman's avatar

Owen Jones spoke at a pro-Zionist conference, has advocated the continuation of Zionist theft of Palestinian land, and famously smeared Corbyn as an “antisemite” with no factual basis. Jones is a clever mouthpiece with which to legitimize liberal Zionism and focus on Jewish supremacist feelings over Palestinian lives.

Lisa's avatar

When? Where? What are you talking about? Provide ANY proof to support your character assassination.

D. Donald Ohman's avatar

Electronic Intifada has several articles by Asa Winstanley about Owen Jones.

Lisa's avatar

You're failing to produce any proof (instead you're trying to task me with digging around on your behalf, to find what you're talking about).

More than that, you're not even referring to something that would qualify as proof (you're referring to a third party, whose accusation you're simply repeating).

IS there any proof of your accusation, that Owen has supposedly, "famously smeared Corbyn as an 'antisemite'"?

helmet lang's avatar

Hi Lisa. The team at Reverse Canary Mission have an excellent timeline of Owen Jones' support of Zionism, with links included. I hope you find this helpful. If you feel that he still deserves to be platformed because he has outwardly changed his stance, then that's your right. Personally I would rather platform other journalists writing on Palestine.

I don't find him to be trustworthy given his attempts to erase his support of Zionism.

All the best to you.

https://www.reversecanarymission.org/person/owen-jones

helmet lang's avatar

Hi Lisa. The team at Reverse Canary Mission have an excellent timeline of Owen Jones' support of Zionism, with links included. I hope you find this helpful. If you feel that he still deserves to be platformed because he has changed his stance, then that's your right. Personally I would rather platform other journalists writing on Palestine. I don't find him to be trustworthy given his attempts to erase his support of Zionism. All the best to you.

https://www.reversecanarymission.org/person/owen-jones

The inclusive patriot's avatar

These people, the kind who make Jeremy Corbyn antisemitic, are very very very (and they do deserve 3 very's due to their power, reach and control), point in question.

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Ray Waipouri's avatar

Wtf is that link prove?

Rafath Waheed's avatar

Donald Ohman, Don’t lie! Show the Proof!

helmet lang's avatar

Hi Rafath,

Reverse Canary Mission have an excellent timeline of Owen Jones support of Zionism, with links. I hope you find this helpful. All the best.

https://www.reversecanarymission.org/person/owen-jones

Philip Connolly's avatar

Yeah, not nearly pure enough of orthodoxy. How dare he veer so irresponsibly from the one true path of righteous indignation., the splitter. Hitler would have known how to deal with such treachery.

Archetypal Alien's avatar

Owen Jones should be a nomenie for the nobel peace prize. he is a planetary treasure.

pobrecollie's avatar

He is fucking clown.

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Lisa's avatar

You're spamming someone else's malign opinion. Opinion is not fact. You're literally just gossiping. Maliciously. To slag-off a critic of Israel.

And the opinion that you're spamming, wilfully exaggerates (and partially fabricates), a near-decade-old complaint... in order to smear (and presumably silence) someone who is, right now, one of Israel's most vocal critics.

My response:

https://www.palestinedeepdive.com/p/coward-journalists-you-will-be-exposed/comment/146595880

More importantly (and comprehensively), Owen's responses:

https://www.owenjones.news/p/am-i-an-israeli-stooge-a-response

https://www.owenjones.news/p/am-i-really-as-bad-as-netanyahu

It's not Owen, who's acting like an Israeli stooge. You can tell who Israel's stooges are, by the fact that they're trying to silence Israel's critics.

Personally, I want Owen to KEEP speaking out against Israel's savagery, and I don't trust the motives of anyone who is trying to shut him up.

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Lisa's avatar

Owen is a supporter of BDS; he has been for years. You'd know that if you had bothered to click the links, and listen to his response to his accusers.

It's amazing, the level of instant-total-perfection-from-birth, that people (who are themselves anything-but-perfect) demand from someone whom they clearly can't find any CURRENT fault with. Owen's detractors need to reach into the past, and even then, they still need to exaggerate the worst things they can find.

What's the point?

Why do they want to shut down such a vociferous critic of Israel?

Given your propensity to credulously repeat defamation, Olly, and your habit of wilfully-ignoring information that doesn't suit your purposes, you'll have to excuse me, if I don't consider your remembered-opinion, and unsubstantiated claim of "numerous examples," to be infallible.

https://www.palestinedeepdive.com/p/coward-journalists-you-will-be-exposed/comment/146800401

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Lisa's avatar

Even your (still) unsupported accusations are past their expiration date.

I'm beyond caring about your personal, self-indulgent, ill-informed grudge. So, goodbye forever.

I've provided the links, for any passers-by who DO have enough integrity to look at Owen's defence against Asa's pointlessly-malicious accusations.

areti spiropoulos's avatar

Til Palestine is free none will be. Simple as end of. No it's buts or maybes.

Anarchy is Order's avatar

What they learn in Palestine is being used throughout the world. Colonialism always comes home.

Laundry cat's avatar

Absolutely it's a defining moment, no one is free until Palestine is free.

Oppression in any form is unbearable, this is unforgiveable. Their global gaslighting campaign is sickening.

I keep getting to the great awakening that is slowly revealing the truth and the split has happened of good vs evil.

I don't know how but Israel will be extinguished and a lovely world where people are nice to each other and animals thrive and we get along harmoniously is in our future.

GetUpStandUp's avatar

Well, I'm retired, so fuck Israel. They need to cease to exist for the great good of all humanity.

Viola Rocket's avatar

@markjcarney , @bob_zimmer_mp ,@cbc ,@cbcnews , @cbcdaybreaknorth ,@cbcvancouver ,@cbcradiocanada ,@cbcindigenous ,@cbcthenational  You know the truth - stand up and speak it! Israel is committing a genocide, the Indigenous population of Palestine are experiencing a holocaust!!!! No amount of money in this world is enough to keep your silence. Speak the truth!!! People matter, all life matters - how can you not see that- your silence and inaction are utterly deplorable 🤬

Lisa's avatar

Regarding the bad-faith attacks, which falsely claim that Owen "famously smeared Corbyn as an 'antisemite'":

Asa Winstanley's Electronic Intifada hit-piece on Owen, is full of bad-faith inferences, but the following, is the one that launched a thousand trolls. Asa claimed that Owen, "insisted Corbyn apologize for anti-Semitism that he had not even been guilty of."

That claim was never true. Asa provided a link, but his link proved the OPPOSITE. Asa probably counted on malicious trolls being too lazy to click a link & read a tweet. Here it is:

https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/978596856765779969

Asa's own link shows that Owen isn't "insisting" on anything; he's SUPPORTING actions that Jeremy had already taken. Likewise, Owen explicitly states that Jeremy is NOT ANTISEMITIC.

Owen's tweet reads:

"Jeremy Corbyn was right to apologise over the mural. Labour is also right to crack down on anti-Semitism wherever it manifests (and it *must*). The attempts to smear Corbyn personally with anti-Semitism are also wholly false."

Owen further-supplements his own defence of Jeremy, by including a link to a Jewish publication, which also defended the fact that Corbyn is NOT AN ANTISEMITE:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-is-an-anti-racist-not-an-antisemite/

It takes a massive stretch — and a spinning back-flip — to get to where Asa landed, considering what Owen ACTUALLY wrote.

The gossipy trolls who descended on this interview, have taken Asa's half-truths, and then half-truthed the half-truths. But they've REPEATED their accusations a lot. Because repetition speaks louder than facts, right?

Lisa's avatar

Thank you for this interview with Owen Jones.

I genuinely appreciate that Owen is an outspoken defender of Palestinians & Palestine, as well as a vociferous critic of Israel [and its accomplices in the U.K. (and U.S.) government & media.] His good intentions are unmistakable.

Owen doesn't have the solution; none of us do, because the people in positions of power refuse to represent us, and abuse that power to insulate themselves from us. If our "representatives" represented our will, Israel would be isolated, cut off from trade, and prosecuted in accordance with international law.

So we are all left with the same question that Ahmed Alnaouq asks: "If you were a Palestinian, what would you do?"

P.S. It's disappointing to see that there are some malicious character-assassins in the comment section, spreading false & defamatory accusations against Owen. None of them has provided anything to justify their malign spite; they've only provided a link to someone else's equally-unsupported accusation. Vicious gossips, mindlessly parroting each other, can't undo Owen's tireless advocacy.

Paul Ford's avatar

Agree completely. Israel and its leaders continue to slaughter Palestinian civilians and receiving support and aid From Trump’s fascist regime. The BBC and in Australia the ABC are no longer a news outlet but a propagandist outlet for Murdoch, Trump and Netanyahu. History matters, many so called journalist before WW2 supported Hitler and the Nazi regime and their were 100,000’s of British and Australian members of their local fascist parties. In Australia they were called the New Guard. At the same time many more citizens fought these scum who were attacking the unemployed and the Trade Unions. They fascist lost after 10 millions died. Today all democratic nations should Boycott the Israeli and the USA’s economy and all other aspects of their society immediately including sport.

Trena Barnett's avatar

And release the files. Don’t care who’s there, don’t care about worldwide ramifications. Release the files. We’ll start from scratch if that’s what it takes! Dam, think of the girls being raped and taped to use for bribery and coercion

Roadtrip's avatar

Israel won’t let in journalists, kill the Palestinian journalists and try to feed the world BS to form the narrative that favors them. They didn’t count on Palestinian journalists and they on the ground live stream thegenocide

rainman's avatar

WAR TAX RESISTANCE!

Mara Bryan's avatar

Just want to highlight the incredibly important role of Al Jazeera, as an organisation, in the media landscape, which Owen failed to mention. He rightly talks of the heroic journalists in Palestine, but not the ethos of the organisation. They are not Western media, but Al Jazeera English has become the go to for so many of us in the west.

joe's avatar

As qatar’s state media, al jazeera has been critiqued for not supporting the non palestinian resistance in western asia. Qatar is a kind of intemediary state.

Irfan A Khan's avatar

There is no turning back from here. It's hell or high water.

Endallaidtoisntreal's avatar

Owen Jones has supported basically every single war. The only reason he supports Palestinian rights is so he can earn some credibility. I don’t think he can be trusted.

Nandana  Jayaram's avatar

This guy stands up against his own side when the cause is just- that makes me trust him more than anything else. I wish I’d paid more attention in the past 🌈