One third of all Jews are not white. Calling all zionists white supremicists when you mean those currently in power are reveals hateful, selective and lazy thinking. Half of US Jews are Zionists appalled by white supremacy. Use logic: If Jews are white supremicists, why do real white supremicists hate Jews? Think it through,emotions aren’t facts. Do Israelis discriminate against and weaponize food against Gazans and at times commit genocide? Yes. And it’s evil. But that’s a war crime, one America commits far more often than Israel, not white supremacy. A million Israelis are Ethiopian. Are they white supremicists? Listen to yourself.
Not all are nationalist land grabbers in pursuit of the bullshit concept of “Greater Samaria,” a lie that never existed in the United Kingdom of Israel and Judea: I urge you to advocate to members and supporters of political groups and the Green Party to reject the bs concept of “Greater Samaria,” and only those Jews who use that historical fiction and as a false justification to be brutal expansionists.
Anti-zionists are not coherent unless they simply hate Jews; then they are coherent; but they are no better than anyone else and forfeit moral high ground. That’s the problem.
A subset of Jewish settlers in Palestinian Territories who attack Palestinians living there in peace — that’s what you should urge others to reject, along with “Greater Samaria.”
If you attack the idea of “Grester Samaria,” instead of Zionism, it would draw attention to the plight of Palestinians being driven off their lands or beaten or killed over greed for their land
Please go to Wikipedia and look up Zionism. There are so many types of it, and not all are bad. Otherwise, you’re saying all Israelis and people who support Israel are zionists of the same stripe, which is an ignorant lie.
The most orthodox Jews reject Zionism bc they don’t think Israel has validity until God appears on Earth to say it does.Did you know that?
Do you see how nuanced and complex this is? I hope so. Free speech dictates you can write what you want: I urge to to do research and use nuance to see that lumping all Jews together as Zionist’s is antisemitic, intended or not.
You’re basically equating Zionism with the Christian concept of “original sin.” That’s not logical and it’s purely emotional.
Or be specific which type of Zionism you condemn. Thank you.
To reject all people who believe in the Democratic state of Israel, as a country, and not a theocracy, is to paint all Jews and Zionist’s and Jewish Israelis with one brush.
It’s lazy and it comes off as antisemitic.
Why do I say this? Most U.S. Jews reject Netanyahu and are appalled by the settlers bigoted violence against Palestinians in their own territories, and how Netanyahu influences Trump, and Israel’s role in the two countries’ war with Iran.
There are too many forms of Zionism and too many Jews and Israelis who hate Netanyahu and his constitutional crises to paint all those who support a two-state solution and the right of Israel to exist to paint us with one brush.
If you don’t know why Jews cry “antisemitism” so often, it’s because you lump us all together with no nuance. There’s only three reasons why you’d do that. 1) You’re lazy at best. 2) You are antisemitic. I hope neither are true.
Let’s hope your wishes to destroy Zionism are more specific in your future denunciations.
Please make your proselytizing efforts to end all forms of Zionism stop, please focus on the right Zionists to blame and criticize them; please don’t just do that to every variant of Zionism, by painting the hyper-complex and diverse group of people called Jews with one, way too broad brush. Thank you.
Zionism is an insidious white supremacist, anti-Semitic ideology, which Theodor Herzl, a secular Jew of Ashkenazi origins, expanded on. Ashkenazi are Central and Eastern European Yiddish speakers, therefore not a Semitic people.
Christian zionism, is also white supremacist and anti-Semitic.
Anyone who believes in “a man-made homeland for the jews," in occupied Palestine 🇵🇸, is a zionist.
Jews believe in Divine Intervention, by the Messiah and Orthodox sects like Neturei Karta, oppose the zionist ideological concept of a "jewish homeland.”
Terms like "liberal zionist,” are oxymorons!
Zionism is so insidious, that to even criticise it, or the genocidal zionist entity, is to incur the accusation of Anti-Semitism. Something so ludicrous, because when you look at the power structure of zionism and its entity in occupied Palestine, you see it's dominated by non-Semitic Ashkenazi, who are engineering a genocide and ethnic cleansing, of the Semitic Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank.
The time has come for Jews to reclaim Judaism, from the zionist conflaters!
I had a long conversation years ago with a very sincere and kind gay man who spent an hour telling me about the good things that Hitler did. Roads, jobs, the Volkswagen. He was truly serious. I didn’t know quite what to say to him. He wasn’t really wrong, and neither are you. But the world will be better of without any kinds of Zionism, even the good ones, if they exist. They can blend in with the rest of the world. After all, we all love a Volkswagen, don’t we?
By the way, most people on this platform are beyond phrases like Democratic State of Israel. No such thing ever existed. Just ask Miko Peled, whose father led the 1967 war and whose grandfather signed the Israeli Declaration of Independence. He’s one of the good ones, and a true, brilliant, human being.
“Most people on this platform are beyond phrases like Democratic State of Israel.”
Says who?
What data or sources do you cite?
You make stuff up and gaslight readers by pretending it’s a fact that seemingly only dummies don’t know.
Please do me a favor: Stop pretending your feelings, hunches and biases are facts. And please stop talking down to those with whom you disagree by patronizing them with made- up or unprovable opinions.
Israel is a very problematic country, but it’s still somehow more democratic in its limited way than any other Middle Eastern Country, for citizens of all backgrounds.
Your righteous anger doesn’t change that or give you special mind reading powers to say “most people here think like me, not you.”
I do appreciate your polite and respectful tone and hope I’ve reciprocated in kind, minus the opinion of yours you cited as fact in an attempt to diminish me as a person, instead of focusing on ideas or real facts.
Trying to triangulate me with phantom people who are imaginary is not cool. There’s no place for attempts at personal shaming or triangulating on this platform if it’s a respectful platform.
Israel is the most democratic state in the Middle East, if you are a citizen there, for Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
Fundamentalist Christians’ love for the Holy Land isn’t about “whiteness,” and most of the world’s Christians and Catholics are not white and have no white supremacy agenda. Christian’s favor Jews being the Custodians of Christian shrines in Jerusalem and surrounding areas, especially after rampaging Muslims destroyed those Christian shrines in the second intifada, forever alienating Muslims to fundamentalist Christians and endearing those Christian’s to Israeli Jews, bc the Israelis restored and protect those shrines.
If Saudi Arabia is the legal custodian of Mecca, why the hypocrisy about Jews being the tolerant custodian of Jerusalem, where countless religious denominations and orders have a presence if not a section of Old Jerusalem to call their own?
No Muslim holy city is as open to all religions as Jerusalem is, and there’s no version of an intolerant, authoritarian, and strict Sharia-like law in Israel that’s literally the law of the land in every Muslim country.
Here, your Ashkenzai-white supremacy argument falls apart.
Are there bigoted Jews? Sure, just like there’s the bigots in all countries. And the violent, radical settlers in the occupied territories and Lebanon are no more morally or politically valid than any other unlawful, unsanctioned thugocracy or rogue army militia.
Again, your arguments fall apart here by thinking all Jews believe the same things, when no two Jews agree on seemingly anything, most of the time, except for our right to exist, and our right to fight for the same homeland the British promised to Muslim’s, too.
It’s interesting, but most countries that exist took their land by force or by decree from some other kingdom, at least 200 years ago.
We generally look down on countries that eschew diplomacy and engage in homeland expansion by force (militant nationalism). Most nations formed in the 1800s and WWII showed that world war was horrific and bad for international commerce (though not for the arms industries); they made nationalism and fascism popular where the preconditions of a failed state or economy were transformed to become incubators and manufacturing plants for an ever- constant threat of incipient fascism, which never vanishes, it just goes underground, and only when political liberals or moderates are in power.
Jews having a homeland is not a “white supremicist” idea just because, like all other nationalities, they have or are fighting for a homeland.
What Americans did to native Indians; what Germans and all European nations did to Jews; what Turks did to Armenians; what China does to Uighurs, and what Russia does to Ukrainians … these are 1800s-like battles that feel anachronistic is such “civilized” modern times like today. By modern stsndards, all of them are barbaric when fighting.
It sucks that every Arab nation screwed the “Palestinians” who are really either Egyptian or Jordanian in origin, mostly, by not letting them emigrate to their countries.
The Palestinians are more useful to other Arab countries as trapped victims in order to scapegoat Israel 1) to distract their domestic populations from domestic problems and 2) to foster unity through antisemitism and 3) because how Israel it treats its domestic Muslim population, large parts of which are fundamentally revolutionary and destabilizing, if not depraved, in its methods of terrorism, which surpass any Israeli war crime or atrocity—not that any are acceptable, because none are.
But when other 20th century wars are fought now, in the 21st, only Israel is disqualified from defending itself? Why? Because they have many “white”-looking Ashkenazi’s among the plurality of Jews and non Jews in its parliament and borders?
That’s just hate, not a coherent, fact based argument.
The double standard applied to Israel compared to, say, Russia in Ukraine or China in the Uighur Provences, reveals that you hold Israel to a standard higher than any other, and it’s only to have a seemingly non-antisemitic excuse to shoot it down from that targeted location once it’s briefly placed there.
People will find ways to rationalize antisemitism whether Israel exists or not, and most if not all Jews are not _white_ — even Ashkenazis are just “coded” that way, here, in the U.S., and only for the last 80 years or so.
Biblical Jews were not “white” and “whiteness” as a concept didn’t even exist then. Calling Israel a white supremicist idea is ignorant and yet another blood libel among many against Jews.
It’s painful watching Israelis weaponize food and create famine conditions for the Gazas, especially in current modern times. It’s awful to see it in Russia and China, but you think they have a right to exist and Israel doesn’t — even though the Russians in power admit they’re white supremicists and white nationalists m using their nonwhite population as soldiers as a de facto form of ethnic cleansing. When you call out all authoritarians and incipient fascists for doing the same things in their countries as Israelis do in theirs, with equal criticism, then and only then will your vitriol have moral integrity and imperative beyond mere Jew-hating.
Even if you’re Jewish yourself: false equivalencies almost always exist to the detriment of Jews and Israel bc they satisfy the human drive and need for order in the universe that we call “confirmation bias.”
Laughing, get off your high horse you idiot and come into the reality of what Zion, Zionism, Zionists, and Jews are, learn the correct history of Judaism and Zionism before wasting your long, fake, dull brain dump of bs!
I suggest you get yourself onto another platform, because your Zionist Jew words are not welcome here, or anywhere that TRUTH is spoken of what Jews and Zionists have done for centuries. Oh and they were pushed out of various countries over the centuries for a reason! This in itself speaks volumes!
Israel 🇮🇱 stealing and killing Palestinians 🇵🇸since the 40’s
Certainly hope they do it, if not should disband
One third of all Jews are not white. Calling all zionists white supremicists when you mean those currently in power are reveals hateful, selective and lazy thinking. Half of US Jews are Zionists appalled by white supremacy. Use logic: If Jews are white supremicists, why do real white supremicists hate Jews? Think it through,emotions aren’t facts. Do Israelis discriminate against and weaponize food against Gazans and at times commit genocide? Yes. And it’s evil. But that’s a war crime, one America commits far more often than Israel, not white supremacy. A million Israelis are Ethiopian. Are they white supremicists? Listen to yourself.
There’s more than one kind of Zionism.
Not all are nationalist land grabbers in pursuit of the bullshit concept of “Greater Samaria,” a lie that never existed in the United Kingdom of Israel and Judea: I urge you to advocate to members and supporters of political groups and the Green Party to reject the bs concept of “Greater Samaria,” and only those Jews who use that historical fiction and as a false justification to be brutal expansionists.
Anti-zionists are not coherent unless they simply hate Jews; then they are coherent; but they are no better than anyone else and forfeit moral high ground. That’s the problem.
A subset of Jewish settlers in Palestinian Territories who attack Palestinians living there in peace — that’s what you should urge others to reject, along with “Greater Samaria.”
If you attack the idea of “Grester Samaria,” instead of Zionism, it would draw attention to the plight of Palestinians being driven off their lands or beaten or killed over greed for their land
Please go to Wikipedia and look up Zionism. There are so many types of it, and not all are bad. Otherwise, you’re saying all Israelis and people who support Israel are zionists of the same stripe, which is an ignorant lie.
The most orthodox Jews reject Zionism bc they don’t think Israel has validity until God appears on Earth to say it does.Did you know that?
Do you see how nuanced and complex this is? I hope so. Free speech dictates you can write what you want: I urge to to do research and use nuance to see that lumping all Jews together as Zionist’s is antisemitic, intended or not.
You’re basically equating Zionism with the Christian concept of “original sin.” That’s not logical and it’s purely emotional.
Or be specific which type of Zionism you condemn. Thank you.
To reject all people who believe in the Democratic state of Israel, as a country, and not a theocracy, is to paint all Jews and Zionist’s and Jewish Israelis with one brush.
It’s lazy and it comes off as antisemitic.
Why do I say this? Most U.S. Jews reject Netanyahu and are appalled by the settlers bigoted violence against Palestinians in their own territories, and how Netanyahu influences Trump, and Israel’s role in the two countries’ war with Iran.
There are too many forms of Zionism and too many Jews and Israelis who hate Netanyahu and his constitutional crises to paint all those who support a two-state solution and the right of Israel to exist to paint us with one brush.
If you don’t know why Jews cry “antisemitism” so often, it’s because you lump us all together with no nuance. There’s only three reasons why you’d do that. 1) You’re lazy at best. 2) You are antisemitic. I hope neither are true.
Let’s hope your wishes to destroy Zionism are more specific in your future denunciations.
Please make your proselytizing efforts to end all forms of Zionism stop, please focus on the right Zionists to blame and criticize them; please don’t just do that to every variant of Zionism, by painting the hyper-complex and diverse group of people called Jews with one, way too broad brush. Thank you.
Zionism is an insidious white supremacist, anti-Semitic ideology, which Theodor Herzl, a secular Jew of Ashkenazi origins, expanded on. Ashkenazi are Central and Eastern European Yiddish speakers, therefore not a Semitic people.
Christian zionism, is also white supremacist and anti-Semitic.
Anyone who believes in “a man-made homeland for the jews," in occupied Palestine 🇵🇸, is a zionist.
Jews believe in Divine Intervention, by the Messiah and Orthodox sects like Neturei Karta, oppose the zionist ideological concept of a "jewish homeland.”
Terms like "liberal zionist,” are oxymorons!
Zionism is so insidious, that to even criticise it, or the genocidal zionist entity, is to incur the accusation of Anti-Semitism. Something so ludicrous, because when you look at the power structure of zionism and its entity in occupied Palestine, you see it's dominated by non-Semitic Ashkenazi, who are engineering a genocide and ethnic cleansing, of the Semitic Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank.
The time has come for Jews to reclaim Judaism, from the zionist conflaters!
I had a long conversation years ago with a very sincere and kind gay man who spent an hour telling me about the good things that Hitler did. Roads, jobs, the Volkswagen. He was truly serious. I didn’t know quite what to say to him. He wasn’t really wrong, and neither are you. But the world will be better of without any kinds of Zionism, even the good ones, if they exist. They can blend in with the rest of the world. After all, we all love a Volkswagen, don’t we?
By the way, most people on this platform are beyond phrases like Democratic State of Israel. No such thing ever existed. Just ask Miko Peled, whose father led the 1967 war and whose grandfather signed the Israeli Declaration of Independence. He’s one of the good ones, and a true, brilliant, human being.
“Most people on this platform are beyond phrases like Democratic State of Israel.”
Says who?
What data or sources do you cite?
You make stuff up and gaslight readers by pretending it’s a fact that seemingly only dummies don’t know.
Please do me a favor: Stop pretending your feelings, hunches and biases are facts. And please stop talking down to those with whom you disagree by patronizing them with made- up or unprovable opinions.
Israel is a very problematic country, but it’s still somehow more democratic in its limited way than any other Middle Eastern Country, for citizens of all backgrounds.
Your righteous anger doesn’t change that or give you special mind reading powers to say “most people here think like me, not you.”
I do appreciate your polite and respectful tone and hope I’ve reciprocated in kind, minus the opinion of yours you cited as fact in an attempt to diminish me as a person, instead of focusing on ideas or real facts.
Trying to triangulate me with phantom people who are imaginary is not cool. There’s no place for attempts at personal shaming or triangulating on this platform if it’s a respectful platform.
Israel is the most democratic state in the Middle East, if you are a citizen there, for Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
Fundamentalist Christians’ love for the Holy Land isn’t about “whiteness,” and most of the world’s Christians and Catholics are not white and have no white supremacy agenda. Christian’s favor Jews being the Custodians of Christian shrines in Jerusalem and surrounding areas, especially after rampaging Muslims destroyed those Christian shrines in the second intifada, forever alienating Muslims to fundamentalist Christians and endearing those Christian’s to Israeli Jews, bc the Israelis restored and protect those shrines.
If Saudi Arabia is the legal custodian of Mecca, why the hypocrisy about Jews being the tolerant custodian of Jerusalem, where countless religious denominations and orders have a presence if not a section of Old Jerusalem to call their own?
No Muslim holy city is as open to all religions as Jerusalem is, and there’s no version of an intolerant, authoritarian, and strict Sharia-like law in Israel that’s literally the law of the land in every Muslim country.
Here, your Ashkenzai-white supremacy argument falls apart.
Are there bigoted Jews? Sure, just like there’s the bigots in all countries. And the violent, radical settlers in the occupied territories and Lebanon are no more morally or politically valid than any other unlawful, unsanctioned thugocracy or rogue army militia.
Again, your arguments fall apart here by thinking all Jews believe the same things, when no two Jews agree on seemingly anything, most of the time, except for our right to exist, and our right to fight for the same homeland the British promised to Muslim’s, too.
It’s interesting, but most countries that exist took their land by force or by decree from some other kingdom, at least 200 years ago.
We generally look down on countries that eschew diplomacy and engage in homeland expansion by force (militant nationalism). Most nations formed in the 1800s and WWII showed that world war was horrific and bad for international commerce (though not for the arms industries); they made nationalism and fascism popular where the preconditions of a failed state or economy were transformed to become incubators and manufacturing plants for an ever- constant threat of incipient fascism, which never vanishes, it just goes underground, and only when political liberals or moderates are in power.
Jews having a homeland is not a “white supremicist” idea just because, like all other nationalities, they have or are fighting for a homeland.
What Americans did to native Indians; what Germans and all European nations did to Jews; what Turks did to Armenians; what China does to Uighurs, and what Russia does to Ukrainians … these are 1800s-like battles that feel anachronistic is such “civilized” modern times like today. By modern stsndards, all of them are barbaric when fighting.
It sucks that every Arab nation screwed the “Palestinians” who are really either Egyptian or Jordanian in origin, mostly, by not letting them emigrate to their countries.
The Palestinians are more useful to other Arab countries as trapped victims in order to scapegoat Israel 1) to distract their domestic populations from domestic problems and 2) to foster unity through antisemitism and 3) because how Israel it treats its domestic Muslim population, large parts of which are fundamentally revolutionary and destabilizing, if not depraved, in its methods of terrorism, which surpass any Israeli war crime or atrocity—not that any are acceptable, because none are.
But when other 20th century wars are fought now, in the 21st, only Israel is disqualified from defending itself? Why? Because they have many “white”-looking Ashkenazi’s among the plurality of Jews and non Jews in its parliament and borders?
That’s just hate, not a coherent, fact based argument.
The double standard applied to Israel compared to, say, Russia in Ukraine or China in the Uighur Provences, reveals that you hold Israel to a standard higher than any other, and it’s only to have a seemingly non-antisemitic excuse to shoot it down from that targeted location once it’s briefly placed there.
People will find ways to rationalize antisemitism whether Israel exists or not, and most if not all Jews are not _white_ — even Ashkenazis are just “coded” that way, here, in the U.S., and only for the last 80 years or so.
Biblical Jews were not “white” and “whiteness” as a concept didn’t even exist then. Calling Israel a white supremicist idea is ignorant and yet another blood libel among many against Jews.
It’s painful watching Israelis weaponize food and create famine conditions for the Gazas, especially in current modern times. It’s awful to see it in Russia and China, but you think they have a right to exist and Israel doesn’t — even though the Russians in power admit they’re white supremicists and white nationalists m using their nonwhite population as soldiers as a de facto form of ethnic cleansing. When you call out all authoritarians and incipient fascists for doing the same things in their countries as Israelis do in theirs, with equal criticism, then and only then will your vitriol have moral integrity and imperative beyond mere Jew-hating.
Even if you’re Jewish yourself: false equivalencies almost always exist to the detriment of Jews and Israel bc they satisfy the human drive and need for order in the universe that we call “confirmation bias.”
Laughing, get off your high horse you idiot and come into the reality of what Zion, Zionism, Zionists, and Jews are, learn the correct history of Judaism and Zionism before wasting your long, fake, dull brain dump of bs!
I suggest you get yourself onto another platform, because your Zionist Jew words are not welcome here, or anywhere that TRUTH is spoken of what Jews and Zionists have done for centuries. Oh and they were pushed out of various countries over the centuries for a reason! This in itself speaks volumes!